Insights Daily Debates, Day – 126: Higher Education System in India is Anti – Dalit

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Insights Daily Debates: Day – 126

19 January 2016

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” Higher Education System in India is Anti –  Dalit”

 

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  • Achilles

    Higher education in India is not anti-dalit, however it doesn’t do anything for dalits anything other than providing for reservations…

    This debate can be discussed in followng heads:
    The dalit discrimination(if at all)–
    1. Among students
    2. Between Management and students
    3. Among Professors/management

    • CSE 15

      “Higher education in India is not anti-dalit, however it doesn’t do anything for dalits anything other than providing for reservations”
      I am curous to know what else should be done?
      An adage goes like ‘don’t give the fish, teach how to fish’
      I mean, the only solution is that they have to face the society bravely and make their mark.

  • BNS

    Higher education in India is not Anti-Dalit but incidents like Rohit vemula’s suicide sure raise a question about that.
    Through education one can leap into progress and it’s also true for depressed castes to uplift themselves along with others.However discrimination against them should can be curbed with the co-ordination among students and also through the representation of students in the management of institutions.

    • BST

      I agree with ur view…

  • Kaushik

    Though the recent suicide of a Dalit Phd scholar of the Hyderabad central university has raised serious questions about the treatment of Dalit students, the entire Higher education system in India cannot be tarred with the same brush. There are very many colleges in India where the caste background of students are not even mentioned or enquired during the entire course and only the talent of the student matters.

    • Ray

      I would rather say in India no one is anti dalit until class discrimination prevail, if people have high standard of living no one is going to ask his caste,creed, and gender and vice versa. In today’s world people are money minded, follow people with high status, position in society.

      • Kaushik

        can u elaborate more on your disagreement with my opinion?

        • Ray

          M not disagree with ur views, just keeping mine. You said cast background not acknowledged in educational institutions only talent and that is very rare, in my opinion it arises from there only otherwise no one is going to ask your cast, religion etc.

  • Sonia mehra

    I haven’t seen any anti-dalit instance in my college and around. If anybody faced or witnessed such instance please share your experience.

  • Sepoy No 1446

    Higher education system is elitist in nature, but government has taken many steps to reduce this effect.

    Due to higher costs, people from average background find it hard to afford higher education. Apart from economic reasons, social discrimination and social exclusion also is a problem in inclusive education in India.

    Government has adopted mandatory reservation policy for Dalits students in IITs/IIMs/NITs and other institutes of higher education. It has provided preparatory class system for Dalits students to train them for B.Tech and Dual Degree courses if they are found lacking in certain core subjects. It is also providing concession in semester fees as well as scholarships to encourage such students.Thus government has artificially created “opportunities” for Dalit students, but same has not been matched with enabling social cohesion and social assimilation by other students at the campus. An untold “pseudo-white-collar-discrimination” is practiced. This results in lack of integration.

    This is one aspect which needs to be addressed to improve Dalit participation in Higher education.

    • Lubna Sehar

      Very well addressed!!

    • pandeyji

      Sopoyji
      Honestly bataiyega
      Aapko lagta hai reservations ke saath saath social cohesion possible hai?

      • Sepoy No 1446

        80%..No
        20%..Yes

        As a group, disceimantion will be preserved..As an individual it can be changed..General category “Individual” will have to be accommodative to influence the group mentality..

        I agree with ur apprehensions.

    • hey ! what do you think that the subsidy to elite institutes like IIM and IIT is not so favour in Dalits and Lower classes..?

      • Sepoy No 1446

        no..its the social environment of the institutes that create problems.

    • Nirvedh Sutey

      Political justice without distributive justice is meaningless.

    • CSE 15

      Social exclusion
      Please, elaborate a little!

    • freesage

      There is no such discrimination in academics, how can it be anti dalit when we have more than half seats reserved for them. There are more than a thousand government aided colleges running in the country which give them almost free education, neither they are asked for any examination fee. from elementary education till jobs they have reservation.

      Please get your facts right before concluding higher education to be elitist.

      Those who have availed reservation are availing it at multiple levels, I have seen people getting into IITs and IIMs with less than 33% of general category cutoff marks.

      How is it discriminatory?

      • Sepoy No 1446

        Read again.

      • Vinod

        I think an important and core thing you missed-
        The colleges running for not only Dalit students.Colleges are running for every student.
        And it is wrong that they don’t pay fees during elementary education.
        And one more please check the list of last 3 years not a single Dalit student have less than 33% in IIT and IIM.
        And the most important in higher education they got scholarship “only”when famile income is below the Tax line,not every Dalit student get scholarship.And “firstly they have to pay the fees which is likely 1 lakh around for 1 year in higher education then after inspection they got scholarship at the end of whole year”

    • OK

      Ok, which IIT? because only IITians are aware of prep classes 😛
      You covered every point very beautifully.
      But, one thing which we should accept is that. We are not supposed to generalise one event across the length and breadth of the country. It is true that their is some social stigma among the reserved category students but do you really thing anyone in our campuses discriminating on the basis of cast or reserved category. The kind of unity and integration we have in our colleges, it is the sole reason for our forward outlook towards this society. So, we should appreciate the Government for the untold change they are brining in our society. These events are highly political in nature with vested political interests. So, in my opinion we should not take them on their face value.

  • SRP(Sukladhwaj)

    Absolutely No. Nothing is anti Dalit except some stereotype thinking and unnecessary action of some people. Among those some even politicize every aspect of such issues.

  • BST

    IS HIGHER EDUCATION SYSTEM IN INDIA ANTI DALIT ?

    Higher education system is not anti Dalit and the reason to assure this is there is constitutional protection for lower castes. However some incidents is blurring this view. The Thorat committee for inquiring the allegations of discrimination in AIIMS revealed undesirable incidents like discrimation of lower castes students as well as faculties. The view that the higher institutes are becoming less tolerant can be understood through recent suicide incidents of scholars and students belonging to lower classes.
    It is duty of the administration to maintain discipline and tolerance in the campuses. In the era of advanced minds and computerised works, it is sad to note that still people discriminate their fellow beings on the basis of caste,religion,gender,race etc.

    • BNS

      Can you tell me how can administration can prevent these incidents?

      • BST

        By strictly implementing the rules to stop discrimination. If such things are not available,create and implement it.

        • BNS

          can you suggest some?

          • BST

            Like debar the students for some days if caught discriminating..

            • pandeyji

              Agar administration khud discriminate kare toh, BSTji?

              • vinay sharma

                the agreived person/student can file writ in high court/supreme court

                • pandeyji

                  and agar uska result 20 saal baad aata ho toh, Sharmaji?

                  • vinay sharma

                    hahaha , toh phir tarik pe tarik.
                    our constitution has laid down the procedure, the point is in its implementation and time taken to implement it. we have to believe in our constitution.

                    • pandeyji

                      Toh aap sunnyji ke fan hain..hmm
                      deol i mean..not leone

                    • vinay sharma

                      nahin

            • not possible to a extent, it is in structure and social psyche —Jurisdictional powers can be in upper caste people.

  • Sonia mehra

    In our country caste is the guiding force of society, unlike religion other countries. It would be far fetched to imagine that the people who are otherwise casteist in dinning, marriage etc would act pious when they enter higher educational institutions as a faculty, student or administrator.

    The reservations only provide entry into higher educational institutions, it does nothing to change the inherent bias in our country.

    • Sonia mehra

      An environment where a dalit student is victimized and harassed, the true potential of education imparted to him/her won’t be realized. So it is time that our country realize and accept the casteism inside and outside educational institutions and give dalits the right to establish educational institutions just like minority, by treating them as special category.

      • pandeyji

        Right to Establish Educational institutions toh hai hi kisi bhi insan ke pas Soniaji

        • Sonia mehra

          Right,
          But I am talking about a status which is similar to minority status. Suppose a mahar community establish an educational institutution, then it should be able to give reservation to mahar community students upto 50%.

          • pandeyji

            oh teri!
            Soniaji
            Fir toh social divide aur stark ho jayega
            Abhi toh bas religion pe baat hoti hai logon mein..fir toh log aise bolne lagenge-“are tum mahar ho na? dont worry..tumhara ABCD college mein toh ho hi jayega”

            • Sonia mehra

              Sir,
              For political gains the punjab govt is already giving minority status to sikhs in punjab. Does that create a minority vs majority divide?

              The state have the responsibility to protect vulnerable people. If it can’t do it in general educational institutions, then let there be a separate colleges. This is the price we are paying for political and social inaction of the past 68 years.

              (people are dying, they are not allowed to achieve there natural capacity, what social divide sir… )

              • pandeyji

                Soniaji
                I will give you an analogy of what you are suggesting
                You are suggesting separate electorates for the minorities
                Do you agree?

                • pandeyji

                  Acha ye Chodhiye
                  There are two ways
                  Either reserved ko bakiyon ke sath upar laiye
                  Or reserved ko alag karke unko uplift karen
                  I feel that you are suggesting the second route..thats all i want to say

                  • Sonia mehra

                    Muje samaj nai aya, ape kehna kya chahe rahe hai?

                    • pandeyji

                      I will try once again
                      When I left non-veg, my friend asked me the reason for the same.
                      I told him ki meri wajah se ek jaan jaati hai
                      he said “aise toh tum patake chodhte ho diwali pe, usse bhi street dogs paagal hote hain etc etc..”
                      So he wanted to say, jab ye karte ho hi, toh woh bhi karlo
                      I instead, stopped burning crackers since then
                      Ab is situation ko aaj ki debate mein laate hain
                      Mere hisaab se aap keh rahi hain,
                      Since we are already so divided today, whats the harm in further division?
                      Am i able to convey now?

                    • Sonia mehra

                      I acknowledge the flaw in the point. Thank you…

              • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                i disagree …alag college means discrimination will increase…..it will become easy for leaders to play politics….dalits will suffer….kynki if u see it from other angle…..they already enter higher education and top colleges in good percentage….aise college jahan india k best brains hote hain but situation badli???nahi….

                • Sonia mehra

                  I acknowledge the flaw in the point. Thank you.

            • Sonia mehra

              are we less divided now?

      • PP

        This incident happened in a university does not mean it has something to do with higher education system.

    • Achilles

      The problem is that caste divide and class divide overlap…lower caste are generally poor background…
      Even if caste discrimination is not actively practiced, it is percieved due to lack of opportunity for them vis-s-vis higher caste fellas due to their poor socio-economic status.

      • Sonia mehra

        When it comes to dalit, the low caste tag and low class tag go hand in hand. Because the societal bias won’t allow them to be well off economically. (exceptions are always there)

        I have seen your argument, from which i understand that you believe there is no such discrimination in higher education. So I would like to ask: what makes you believe that our otherwise casteist people would act as pious soul once they enter higher educational institutions?

        • Achilles

          Can you give examples in which form such discriminations are practiced in HE?

          • naren

            why reservation people not move to private sector or research even getting better education in higher institution like IIT’s? If you remember one dalit researcher was killed yesterday ,it was in news

            • Achilles

              See it don’t know how true this is but…
              He was suspended for attacking another student who opposed “Prayer for Yakub Menon” activity. Also a FIR was registered against him for anti national comments on FB. this led to suspension…what will a college administration do in such cases…and disciplinary actions and suspension are common colleges…was it discrimination or not…i don’t know…but politics should not played on this

              • pandeyji

                Achillesji, kaise hain?

              • naren

                I mostly not see this community doing job in private sector .

            • pandeyji

              Are Narenji
              Ek Neo-liberal country mein government private institutions mein nahi ghus sakti
              Agar government har private institution par bhi pabandi laagu karne lagi, tab toh hum China hi ho gaye na?

              • naren

                ha ha ,I am not saying about imposing restriction on private institution , my question why this community not prefer private job or research ,only government job to get benefit of reservation . I hope you understand

                • pandeyji

                  kyunki unme reservations nahi hain and unki fees burj khalifa ke baraabar hai, aur kya..
                  but Narenji govt jobs mein bhi reserved seats vacant rehti hai yeh dhyan rakhiye (before trying to bring reservations in private institutions)

                  • naren

                    pandeyi apki dabang 3 aa rahi hain toh question nahi dekho gne thick se . I am saying private job , I mean in reliance ,tata ,why only prefer government .

          • marking, awarding degrees to scholars in Phd’s , opting student by the guides and contemptuous behaviour towards dalits by upper class faculties

          • Sonia mehra

            Students: Don’t respect the ideas of a low caste student and even mock his ideas/answer/ assignment
            Teacher: teacher siding with high caste student in case of ruffle between high caste and low caste student. Teacher showing much interest to solve doubts of students who is from his own or higher community.
            Management/Administration: Management also showing similar behaviour as teachers

        • naren

          why people ,government , every time used this Dalit word instead of backward people ? Do you think to called backward people dalit is sounds good .

          • Sonia mehra

            Please give a hindi version of backward caste?
            – gandhiji used harijan, but ambedkar himself opposed this and wanted to use the word dalit, because it reflects the condition of this community in our country ( why hide the reality of our country)

            • naren

              Hindi ,bichdi jaati . Par tab time alag tha ab time change ho gaya , log pasand nahi karte agar unhe yeh kaha jaye ki who loh dalit hain . Isliye government should change their mindset of calling dalit

              • Sonia mehra

                I am unable to see respect or goodness in the term “bichdi jaati”. You propose a new name-

                Anyway does changing name change there condition?

                • naren

                  pichdi jaati . Yes if name change then people attitude will change toward them, their attitude of calling them as dalit .Then People will not isolate them in any function because of their castes.

              • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                if we just change DALIT with BACKWARD or something will things change?????

                • naren

                  definitely . People will forget to ask their caste after few years ,like that happen in urban cities ,people in urban only know their are poor .

                  • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                    who says???urban areas me bhi it goes on…..the recent Hyd case..isn’t it a city……naam badlne se achha samaj ki soch badlo……accept the reality and sayad dalito ko bhi khud ko alag dikhana band krna hoga….khud ko pichhda aur alag btane se chije thik nahi hogi….

                    • naren

                      Modi ji ne mostly old schemes ko bus naya naam de diya ,toh according to you kch bhi change nahi hua ?

                    • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                      sir jativaad ko scheme se mat jodiye bhut bada antar hai……….sir ek banda jo dalit hai wo khta hai mai mainstream me ana chahta hu…sahi hai ye uska haq hai…then what is the problem????
                      problem is k wo ise apna haq nahi manta balki wo ye khta hai k hum pichhde hain isliye hume age ana hai…wo ye nahi khta i will fight for it…wo khta hai historically mere sath galat hua isliye do…
                      sir,i agree historically galat hua magar unhe ladna chahiye……
                      election me they say i will vote for this party say BSP coz mayavati is dalit…what does it show???it shows they themselves have accepted it and want to be confined to it and just talk about mainstreaming…..

                    • naren

                      I am saying instead of calling them as dalit we can call them as poor or backward class ,why after 67 years we need to call them as dalit ,

                    • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                      nahi bualte chalo aaj se hum unhe dalit nahi bulate….do u think things will change they won’t….u know hwy???kyunki kahi na kahi wo khud ko is chij jode rakhna chahte hain……agar wo alag hote hain to bhi they would remain dalit…see what happened with HARIJAN….mayawati ka kanun harijan act k naam se ban gaya….
                      mera argument ye hai…gharo k andar ki soch badalni hogi…kyunki public me har koi Ambedkar and Jyotiba Phule banne ki koshish krta hai…lekin wo sirf dikhawa hota hai….

                    • naren

                      government should change dalit names schemes ,like Modi ji did ,to old Rajiv Gandhi schemes.

                    • naren

                      if government give economic reservation ,then people will not call them by their castes , I do not think so , after 67 years of independence caste system is as it is only because of reservation and calling them again and again dalit , in school laptop kis ko milga ki dalit ko ,agar yehi kaha jaye ki garib bache ko laptop milga toh bache ek dushre ki caste nahi poochegn . caste ka janam school se hota hain aur IAS tak jaata hain .Recent case of IAS in rajathan change his religion for not promoting to Chief secretary , kiya ushe agar economic reservation mila hota ,toh who bolta men garib who IAS bane ke bad bhi aur mujhe promotion nahi mila .

                    • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                      main nahi manta k economic reservation dena chahiye…….haan agar irrespective of caste sabko economic reservation mile to i would agree…
                      i dont agree k reservation k wajah se dalit ki halat kharab hai…..reservation me jo politics hui aur reservation ka fayda bas top 5% ko hi mila ye wajah hai………
                      dalito ko khud ka perception badalna hoga……mainstream me ane ko haq k taur par dekhna hoga……har kadam par bas ye khna k historically ye hua ,hum aise bechare the,hume aise torture kiya gaya….ye sab band kark ye khna hoga k hum deserve krte hain isliye mainstream me ayege……hum lad k ayege….haq manga chahiye majburi ki madad nahi…

                    • naren

                      every poor should get economic reservation . I have doubt why they get reservation in jobs while promotion ,I know they are poor do not get better education, but they get good salary ,why they need reservation in jobs ,it is totally unfair with other category . They are promoted in time bound period while others not .Why government is doing this with others ? Can you give your views

                    • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                      this is pure politics and nothing else…a person who is selected in Grade-A job ..now he is well-off then he should not get reservation…even he can give better education to his child so he/she should not get reservation….actually the whole concept of reservation has gone badly defeated coz of politics…..

                    • naren

                      you are right .politics completely ruined us .

                    • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                      yup….and the bigger issue is dalits get easily get trapped in it…aaj bhi up ke maximum dalit BSP ko bas isliye vote dete hain k wo dalit hai

                    • naren

                      yes ,due to less education and awareness . A strong wind of reforms is needed to bring complete changes in India .

      • discriminatory social structures—including education system which reproduce itself and perpetuate through these structural resilience and rigidity

        • Sonia mehra

          Today we are having a classy debate…

          • Sonia, this comment is reflection of bit showcase of new middle class mentality which is indifferent to social reality, narcissist in its attitude and think itself as protagonist of modernity in indian society— 😛 🙂 ( excuse if offended)

            • Sonia mehra

              Cosviny,
              First and foremost I only expressed my happiness by seeing the fact, that we are debating our heart out. May be it’s because the topic is close to us.
              I don’t know how u construed it as middle class mentality

              • sorry,just kidding!!!
                btw what do you think common syallbi, CBCS and super regulator in higher education (NCHER) are in favour of dalits or not —comment plz

              • i spoiled ur momentum– m sorry –it was all due to –Harsh Mander who wrote Looking Away–a good book–i read it !
                I have one think in mind —our present government is formed on support of fringe groupd supporting hindutava which hav deeply rooted ideology of divisions, hiererchy and discrimination–totally against our constitution–then how the policy in future can go in favour of dalits?

    • socially engineered caste-ism have deep roots in structure of education system—biased against dalits and poor class.

      • Sonia mehra

        Right..

    • Tanu Singhal

      Don’t u think it was a very immature and clichéd statement by a future IAS.

      Or even by an awared aspirant.
      Such pessimism… If after knowing the ground realities, adds nothing but, scandals.

      • Mohit Gupta

        Dear tanu please donot pin point anyone. Argue for the sake of argument but dont attack someone personally 😉
        Btw when someone takes owns life its a serious matter …scandals and the likes set aside …

        • Tanu Singhal

          No m not pin pointing, kindly review my replies to Sonia.

          I see daily how people get sentimental.
          ( in lw practice e see, arrogance and impatience takes up everything )

          N in civil services, we just can’t afford so…

          I respect her views.

      • pandeyji

        what optimism do you have, to offer, Tanuji?

        • Tanu Singhal

          Pandeyji… I m not optimistic or rather happy about the prevailing situation,but I m optimistic that this surley can be improved.

          Will be writing my side of views. Kindly review..
          Asha karti hu,mere view se Jan jayenge aap. 🙂

      • Sonia mehra

        Lets assume, I am an immatured person.

        Please answer my simple query: what makes you believe that our otherwise casteist people (who don’t interdine and inter marry) would act as pious soul once they enter higher educational institutions?

        • Tanu Singhal

          The act of discrimination, of not interdining or inter marriage,is an issue which is generally accepted and acted upon by the erstwhile generation ( we know the reasons,why )
          Or the one who is unaware or less educated
          Lets say even if carried out by most educated ones, even then,here I m highlighing the fact that, if I point to a stupid person he will say u r stupid ,
          what we need to do as educated and rational beings is, stop accepting this scenario, instead of just saying yes it is so. We need to work on it,we need to challenge it.

          U r using very harsh words here.
          Shows ur personal bias.
          I know, by heart we all are biased for something, we all support or negate something, here at this portal, we must act and write as a rational being.
          As the one looking for solutions.

          • Sonia mehra

            Apologies, If I felt to be harsh

          • Sonia mehra

            1. Agree we shouldn’t be accepting
            2. But don’t accepting don’t change the reality. We need positive actions for social change, which were not taken for 68 years

            • Tanu Singhal

              We accept,that’s why we are working to change,
              We accept its wrong we shall not accept it can’t be worked upon. 🙂

              Just re quoting if my words meant something else.

          • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

            ma’m if we don’t accept will that change the current scenario?????i agree we should try to change it….but isn’t it the current scenario??????just by saying we should accept we will be actually ignoring the reality….if it was about just being educated AIIMS’s scenario would have been different…..

            • Tanu Singhal

              Kindly review all my points, have replied ur question…

              • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                ma’m i read……but i just wanted to point out that its not the education which can change it…..bahut sari chije hain jisme social perception sabse upar hai…….

                • Tanu Singhal

                  Han agreed.
                  I pointed out that as well.
                  Ab upsc jb education ki bat krega toh word limit k sath Hume uspe hi stick krna padega.

                  Uss samay we can just quoite some issues
                  N here it was about education only. 🙂

                  • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                    okkk…..but in general discussion format i was pointing out ……yahan hum jitne aspects to explore krege wha word limit me utni hi chije add kr payege….

                    • Tanu Singhal

                      Han
                      Right.

                  • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                    okkk…..but in general discussion format i was pointing out ……yahan hum jitne aspects to explore krege wha word limit me utni hi chije add kr payege….

              • Amit

                It is not approriate to say that Higher education in India is Anti dalit.It has been around 26 year when reservation was given to SC & ST in higher education,but not reaching deep in the social starta & helping those who are economically strong for instance if one of the person of sc/ st is IAS, his son study in best school & colleges, still he get relaxation in higher education despite of low aggregate marks which ll have negative effect on quality, why he need reservation??.The Supreme Court held that national iinterest requires doing away with all form of reservation in institution of higher education & urged centre to take effective step in this regard on urgent basis.Problem faced by India is ethical & moral not capital. Untouchability though abolish by constitution still main cause of recently suicide by Rohit Vemula of Hyderabad university is result of untouchability,& political again by some political party by using quota word to polarise voter & run their political careers not as result of reservation,so it inappropriate to say it is anti dalit.

                • Athira Thampi

                  Sir,what about those conditions where economically empowered dalits face societal discrimination?are the conditions ripe in india that daughter of a dalit ias officer be welcomed as a bride into a high caste family?reservations were initiated not just for economic upliftment of the backward castes but for the socio economic upliftment.but has that really taken place.?and your argument regarding compromised quality of higher educational instituitions due to admission to reserved category of students stand negated by various studies taken out and published by the hindu itself.these arguments reflect anti dalit sentiments of a huge majority of people in the country.

                  • Amit

                    Hi.Athira, I totally agreed socitetal discrimination still prevalent & is really painful, already give reason for this, ethics & moral crisis in India. Regarding dalit offered as bride into higher caste family, I would like to draw ur attention, as you think married among different upper caste is still not easy task, not acceptable always, hope u also aware of this fact, I said reason is moral & ethical crisis among Indians. Athira, hope to some extent taken my point in negative sense regarding compromised quality in higher education due to reservation, or might I unable to express my word properly. I just point by giving example of IAS son,instead of low marks getting admission in higher education which might be comprised for quality which seems not up to the marks. Higher education for me here means P.G course. for eg.if a backward class getting financial & reservation benfit till her B.tech in IIT, do you think after that he/ she still needed at least reservation benefit??This facility should be given to those who really deserve amongst all other caste either upper or lower caste according to their economic status, hope this might change the mind set of all people who do this painful act of societal discrimination,pave the way for better India.serious we really lack moral attitude, as I said most of the political party & leaders polarising the issue for sake of political career, this caste based politics & discrimination will be wipped off completely.

              • Amit

                I agreed with your all point & u tried to explain root cause of caste discrimination preavling in India. but I think u should give more focuss on higher education as anti dalit or not?. Anyway as usual u write gud points.gud keep it up.

                • Tanu Singhal

                  Right, I lacked good points on higher education

                  Honestly I had little research…
                  Will work on this topic
                  Thanks for teho appreciation and motivation. 🙂

                  • Amit

                    Hi. Tanu, what is ur optional subject?.

                    • Tanu Singhal

                      Hi Amit

                      LAW it is 🙂

                    • Amit

                      Gud..thx for reply

      • Sonia mehra

        I respect you views, only tried to put forth my argument

        • Tanu Singhal

          Don’t argue, present views.

          ( it gets embedded in habit,m a law a student,I know how it gets into ur daily habit of debating, u start arguing, stop debating )

          Just a suggestion though. We all here to let everyone improve.

    • Ayush

      Higher Education System in India is Anti – Dalit.
      Well system has given enough relaxation to dalit to come up to a level so that they could see eye to eye to any other citizen- so system could not be blamed.

      The instances of wrong doings against dalits are of major concern to our unity.
      A point to note that these actions are carried out by splinter groups who have their own interests vested. Dalits should come forward against even a small such incident.

      • freesage

        Higher education system is not anti-dalit aayush. As pointed out there might be a few people in administration who still hold to their prejudices.

        Did you ever bother who was studying or dining out in groups with you. it is a far fetched argument; though there have been some instances but overall society is moving to a space where everyone is more equal.

        This is evident in the number of replies by the aspirants. The case being referred to is a politically motivated move by opposition to corner prime minister. These was no need to indulge in demonstrations against Muzzafarnagar issue at a university level or college level. Students must come to university or college to get educated and discuss about issues rather than hold demonstration on issues which are not even related to college administration.

        The administration was right in its decision to let students continue in classes and bar them from hostel as it gives them a greater mileage, time and access to other students to propagate their crusade against administration.

        In the end the person did not cope up well with the pressure and committed suicide; there is nothing which forced him to commit suicide other than this. Others who too were expelled from the hostel did not commit suicide; he was just too weak to handle all the pressure.

        Its a debate and not a platform for answer writing skills so i would request some guys to stick to debate and not treat it as a question. It was precisely for this reason that
        Insights discontinued the question form of debate topic.

        • Ayush

          Sorry I forgot to change line after the topic. I just wanted to state the topic and then start writing. I agree with all your points, even I feel the same way but my presentation of views,may be, confused you.

    • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

      i do agree…the fault lies at the very bottom…where we call every one as sharma ji or yadav ji because it’s the caste we are more concerned of……

      • But through social moment criticise the divinely ordained social hierarchy ( separation demand social cum religious reform)is deep solution than to criticise patriliny system– what is your opinion.

        • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

          not just criticize but practice it….castism ko actually use krna band krna padega….maximum encouragement to inter-marriage and inter-dining…..

    • CSE 15

      The more is the state intervention to bring social reforms, the lesser will be the willingness of the society to bring it from within and greater will be the appeasement of people.

    • BPS

      Higher Education in India is not anti-Dalit, reasons for which are:-
      i. Reservation of seats for dalits in institutes of higher education to provide equitable opportunities to them
      ii. Govt provides scholarships to students belonging to SC to complete their education
      iii. relaxation in age for eligibility in various courses

      On the other hand, critics have raised the point of higher education being anti-dalit on the basis of :-
      i. allegation of discrimination labeled by dalit students in universities
      ii. a majority of the SC students belong to those families who have already availed the benefits of reservation. This has led to inequality in access.
      iii. a large number of students expelled by universities belong to SC.

      However, the underlying reason for these is the hierarchical social environment and inequality which is prevalent in the society. Therefore, the government should strive for providing quality education at primary and secondary level, sensitize the citizens, introduce the income criteria in reservation for SC and provide additional guidance and counselling in higher education to dalit students in order to address these issues. To strive for equality and justice in every sphere is the solemn pledge of our State and higher education should not be bereft of it.

      • Sonia mehra

        Dear Friend,

        “the underlying reason for this perception is the hierarchical social environment and inequality which is prevalent in the society.” If it’s a perception only, then we only need to change the perception.

        The way I look is, the reservation and scholarship have only provided an entry into higher education institutes. But this doesn’t change societal mind inside or outside the campus. The reservation and scholarship have only consolidated the view among general public that these low caste students are gaining entry because of reservation but not merit. Therefore these students are not respected.

        Solution (as per me): The govt should have focus have on quality primary and secondary education (our solution is the same, but our reasons are different) for all. There should be quality institutes in rural and tribal areas. This would ensure low caste students enter institutes not because of reservation but because of merit, and thus earned them the respect they deserve.

        Eager to hear from you……….

        • BPS

          As far as mindset is concerned, it will change only when the whole society is reformed. One can’t change it in higher education system in isolation…..and friend perception is sometimes created to serve political interestsystem also. Remember the Dadri incident.

        • BPS

          Sonia ji could you please review my sunday’s essay

          • Sonia mehra

            Could you plz send me the direct link to your essay

            • BPS

              Could not figure out how to send the link. So I have copied it below

              The third battle of Panipat is considered a watershed in the Indian history. The defeat of Marathas ended their ambition to emerge as a successor to Mughal Empire. One of the reasons for defeat of Marathas was mutual jealously among the Maratha commanders. So, in the battlefield too many cooks spoiled the broth.

              The above story is an illustration of undesirable result due to involvement of too many people in a given task. However, can this
              proposition be universally applied? Let’s examine it in the contemporary context.

              The proponents of efficiency argue that too many cooks spoil the broth. One of the conspicuous examples is the failure of various efforts to neutralize ISIS in West Asian region. The US led alliance supports the rebels who are against the Assad regime. Their military and financial support to the rebels has also strengthened the ISIS. On the other hand, Russian supports the Assad regime and is carrying out strikes against ISIS as well as the rebels. The Saudi Arabia led Sunni nations are clandestinely aiding the ISIS for
              geopolitical gains against Iran. As a result of lawlessness in the region and lack of convergence in approach, ISIS is flourishing. Too many cooks have spoiled the broth.

              FDI in India is far below its potential, given India’s demographic dividend and domestic demand. One of the major impediments to improve ease of doing business is the regulatory delays faced by businesses at all the stages. A large number of clearances are required by the project proponents. Forest clearance, environmental clearance, issues of land acquisition, safety etc are all handled by different departments. Too many cooks are spoiling the broth. The problem is accentuated in case of foreign investors.

              A similar scenario is witnessed in case of public service delivery like issuance birth certificates, caste certificates, income certificates, voter identity cards, BPL cards, Aadhar cards etc. Different agencies are mandated to carry out specific functions. Lack of awareness among citizens, lesser amount of information available in public domain and illiteracy accentuates the inconvenience of citizens. Too many cooks are spoiling the broth. Thus, the call of citizen centric governance has remained a distant dream .

              In financial sector too, the Financial Sector Legislative Reforms Commission has highlighted the grey areas in regulation such as ULIP issue, Ponzi schemes etc. This is because the five regulatory are functioning independently. As a result, some NBFCs have to bear with double regulations while Ponzi schemes go unregulated. Too many cooks have spoiled the broth.Thus, financial sector in the Indian economy has not fully developed and cases of fake Ponzi schemes are in the news frequently.

              The management of urban transport system presents a similar story. There is no dedicated and unified body the all the major cities. For instance – MRTS and bus services are managed by DMRC and DTC respectively. As a result, some regions remain under served and vice versa. This leads to sub-optimal utilization of resources and inconvenience to the public. Too many cooks are spoiling the broth.

              The role played by David Hedley in 26/11 Mumbai attack is well established. His activities in India remained undetected because there was absence any centralized database for the intelligence agencies. Bank details, immigration details, travel details remained in silos to detect any possible terror threat. Too many cooks spoiled the broth.

              From the above discussion, it seems true that too many cooks spoil the broth every time. Therefore, the number of participants and stakeholders should be minimised every time. However, in many instances, this may not be desirable and even become conter productive.

              The issues taken up by multilateral bodies like WTO and UNFCCC concern to every nations. The agreements of trade and climate change need to be adopted on the basis of consensus. The developed countries can’t term developing countries as deal breakers as they have a dual challenge to ensure development and protect environment.. An climate change agreement based on consensus would be voluntarily abide by all the nations. On the other hand, emission violations by few may have negative implications for the whole world. Similarly, Unilateral trade deals by developed countries would accentuates the existing global inequality. Hence, it can’t be said that too many cooks are spoiling the broth.

              In India, land acquisition Act 2013 has introduced a consent clause. The investors argue that it may not be possible to obtain the consent of 80% of landowners. In this case too, it can’t be said that too many cooks would spoil the broth because of the past experiences. Forced land acquisition has led to alienation of tribals, rise of left wing extremism, poverty etc.This has gone against the call of inclusive growth.

              Sometimes it is argued that India’s federal system is an impediment to rapid economic growth.State government’s machinery are inefficient and many states oppose some development projects and legislation for political gains. This leads to wasteful expenditure and slowdown in the economic growth. However, participation of states have ensured voice and representation to every region of the country. This is essential to maintain unity amidst diversity and ensure inclusive growth. State governments are in a better position to plan and implements schemes according to local requirements. So instead of criticizing them, states should be empowered functionally and financially along with capacity building of state machinery. Thus, it can’t be merely said that too many cooks would spoil the broth.

              The underlying argument of these examples is that long term sustainability has to give way to short term efficiency in many instances.

              From the above discussion, it can be said that the validity of the proverb – “too many cooks spoil the broth” – depends on the situation. In real life scenario, there is a need to strike a balance between efficiency and sustainability. Its illustration can be – a UN mandated coalition against ISIS; Invest India body to guide foreign investors to comply with regulatory norms; single window public service delivery with backward and forward linkages to enhance citizen centricity; a unified regulator for financial sector and the present Financial Stability and Development Council for better regulation and coordination; a dedicated urban transport body; a centralized database such as NATGRID etc. In efficiency v/s sustainability debate, integration and coordination is the key to strike a balance between the two. Thus, too many cooks would spoil the broth when working in isolation, not when in collaboration.

            • BPS

              Could not figure out how to send you the link directly. So I am copying it below :

              The third battle of Panipat is considered a watershed in the Indian history. The defeat of Marathas ended their ambition to emerge as a successor to Mughal Empire. One of the reasons for defeat of Marathas was mutual jealously among the Maratha commanders. So, in the battlefield too many cooks spoiled the broth.

              The above story is an illustration of undesirable result due to involvement of too many people in a given task. However, can this
              proposition be universally applied? Let’s examine it in the contemporary context.

              The proponents of efficiency argue that too many cooks spoil the broth. One of the conspicuous examples is the failure of various efforts to neutralize ISIS in West Asian region. The US led alliance supports the rebels who are against the Assad regime. Their military and financial support to the rebels has also strengthened the ISIS. On the other hand, Russian supports the Assad regime and is carrying out strikes against ISIS as well as the rebels. The Saudi Arabia led Sunni nations are clandestinely aiding the ISIS for
              geopolitical gains against Iran. As a result of lawlessness in the region and lack of convergence in approach, ISIS is flourishing. Too many cooks have spoiled the broth.

              FDI in India is far below its potential, given India’s demographic dividend and domestic demand. One of the major impediments to improve ease of doing business is the regulatory delays faced by businesses at all the stages. A large number of clearances are required by the project proponents. Forest clearance, environmental clearance, issues of land acquisition, safety etc are all handled by different departments. Too many cooks are spoiling the broth. The problem is accentuated in case of foreign investors.

              A similar scenario is witnessed in case of public service delivery like issuance birth certificates, caste certificates, income certificates, voter identity cards, BPL cards, Aadhar cards etc. Different agencies are mandated to carry out specific functions. Lack of awareness among citizens, lesser amount of information available in public domain and illiteracy accentuates the inconvenience of citizens. Too many cooks are spoiling the broth. Thus, the call of citizen centric governance has remained a distant dream .

              In financial sector too, the Financial Sector Legislative Reforms Commission has highlighted the grey areas in regulation such as ULIP issue, Ponzi schemes etc. This is because the five regulatory are functioning independently. As a result, some NBFCs have to bear with double regulations while Ponzi schemes go unregulated. Too many cooks have spoiled the broth.Thus, financial sector in the Indian economy has not fully developed and cases of fake Ponzi schemes are in the news frequently.

              The management of urban transport system presents a similar story. There is no dedicated and unified body the all the major cities. For instance – MRTS and bus services are managed by DMRC and DTC respectively. As a result, some regions remain under served and vice versa. This leads to sub-optimal utilization of resources and inconvenience to the public. Too many cooks are spoiling the broth.

              The role played by David Hedley in 26/11 Mumbai attack is well established. His activities in India remained undetected because there was absence any centralized database for the intelligence agencies. Bank details, immigration details, travel details remained in silos to detect any possible terror threat. Too many cooks spoiled the broth.

              From the above discussion, it seems true that too many cooks spoil the broth every time. Therefore, the number of participants and stakeholders should be minimised every time. However, in many instances, this may not be desirable and even become conter productive.

              The issues taken up by multilateral bodies like WTO and UNFCCC concern to every nations. The agreements of trade and climate change need to be adopted on the basis of consensus. The developed countries can’t term developing countries as deal breakers as they have a dual challenge to ensure development and protect environment.. An climate change agreement based on consensus would be voluntarily abide by all the nations. On the other hand, emission violations by few may have negative implications for the whole world. Similarly, Unilateral trade deals by developed countries would accentuates the existing global inequality. Hence, it can’t be said that too many cooks are spoiling the broth.

              In India, land acquisition Act 2013 has introduced a consent clause. The investors argue that it may not be possible to obtain the consent of 80% of landowners. In this case too, it can’t be said that too many cooks would spoil the broth because of the past experiences. Forced land acquisition has led to alienation of tribals, rise of left wing extremism, poverty etc.This has gone against the call of inclusive growth.

              Sometimes it is argued that India’s federal system is an impediment to rapid economic growth.State government’s machinery are inefficient and many states oppose some development projects and legislation for political gains. This leads to wasteful expenditure and slowdown in the economic growth. However, participation of states have ensured voice and representation to every region of the country. This is essential to maintain unity amidst diversity and ensure inclusive growth. State governments are in a better position to plan and implements schemes according to local requirements. So instead of criticizing them, states should be empowered functionally and financially along with capacity building of state machinery. Thus, it can’t be merely said that too many cooks would spoil the broth.

              The underlying argument of these examples is that long term sustainability has to give way to short term efficiency in many instances.

              From the above discussion, it can be said that the validity of the proverb – “too many cooks spoil the broth” – depends on the situation. In real life scenario, there is a need to strike a balance between efficiency and sustainability. Its illustration can be – a UN mandated coalition against ISIS; Invest India body to guide foreign investors to comply with regulatory norms; single window public service delivery with backward and forward linkages to enhance citizen centricity; a unified regulator for financial sector and the present Financial Stability and Development Council for better regulation and coordination; a dedicated urban transport body; a centralized database such as NATGRID etc. In efficiency v/s sustainability debate, integration and coordination is the key to strike a balance between the two. Thus, too many cooks would spoil the broth when working in isolation, not when in collaboration.

              • Sonia mehra

                HY, good attempt
                1. The number of examples was too much. Too much examples can also spoil the broth ( essay)
                2. In each paragraph you mentioned “too many cooks will spoil the broth”. Instead you could defined the meaning of the proverb in the initial paragraph and subsequently used the definition instead of proverb.
                3. Bpl card, aadhar card etc are issued by different authority individually. So there isn’t too many actors/cooks.
                4. In FSLRC point you mentioned about 5 regulators, but haven’t named them. In a 1200 worded essay you should mention it. Because you do have the leverage of words.
                5. Conclusion is very good. You have summed up everything.

                Thank you. If time permits, then plz review mine.

                • BPS

                  Could not review your essay last night because I suddenly fell ill. ..would surely review today

    • The Sherlock

      Your daily debates are no less entertaining than prime time show on TV. Hell yeah, I enjoy comments/sub-comments under your daily-debate posts. 🙂 🙂

      • Sonia mehra

        hahaha… Only being true to my beliefs.

    • Voras

      A meaningful education can change the bias in any country 🙂

      • Voras

        although my statement is ideal not with perspective of practicality and current indian context

    • freesage

      But being educated in a pool of people from different sections and backgrounds of society does open up the mind.

      There is no social ghettoisation to any class of students in the university. Even the faculty and administration staff is a mix of all types of people. Things have already changed for better with roughly 65% literacy in India and it would improve in future.

  • naren

    only few students or teacher are anti -dalit . Those who are against they are from rural background as discrimination exist in rural area.

    • India lives in villages,,,,thats why focus is rural not that much urban part!!!!!!!

      • naren

        urban people need this community for many works ,so they do not discriminate . Even consider them as family member

  • Main hurdle on RTE guidelines to provide enrollment quota of 25 % to Poor people are mostly from Dalit community at large —-governement have no alter native for that..
    since last sixty years the upper class teachers treating dalit children discriminately — where is the solution for structural discrimination in education and formal schooling…recently report released that the prestigious institutions have vacant faculty and scholars seats reserved for lower classes.
    Maximun subsidy going for IIT IIM and other prestigious institutions ….poor children in rural making arrangement for distance courses from their own pockets…
    Politicization of knowledge base –hijacked by New middle class—recent fringe group like RSS became dominant in defining syllabi and curricula.
    Breakup of enrolment shows poor representation of SC and ST’s—
    privatisationod education against poor and dalit

  • Leiter The Leader

    Higher education empower dalits by enhancing their knowledge and increase their opportunities in the governments jobs and elsewhere.
    This will increase their economic status and would alter their social status too in the long run.
    The government is doing enough by providing them reservations in elections,educational institutions.
    Various provisions in the constitutions and Fundamental rights are safe guarding their rights.
    All this are aimed at increasing their dignity and inculcate the spirit of fraternity and bring them into mainstream.

    However,it is important to note that the person manning these institutions may be Anti dalit due there pride in their upper caste and age old belief systems.

    No doubt,these people are the intellectuals in their respective fields,but on the other hand they held firmly their age old prejudices and stereotypes about the dalits and lower sections of the society,

    What we need is change in Attitudinal behavior.Every person is unique irrespective of his caste,creed,religion,race etc..Every persons dignity has to be respected.

    • Sonia mehra

      Couldn’t understand your stand. Is our higher educational institutes anti-dalit or not?

      • Leiter The Leader

        Obviously No…but persons manning this institutions might be..:)

      • Leiter The Leader

        If you don’t mind can you review my P.S answer

        The great and chief end, therefore, of men uniting into commonwealths, and putting themselves under government, is the preservation of property, to which in the state of nature there are many things waiting (John Locke)

        The above statement tells us about Locke theory of Social contract.The main purpose of locke is to illustrate that political institutions are created by man and not something which ordained from nature.Hence men should show respect to them.

        Locke considered that state of nature is governed by law of nature.i.e reason.When god created men on this earth,he endowed them with equal reason.Hence,all men acts according to reason.There will no conflict and state of nature is place where happiness and equality prevails.However,due to the absence of enforced law and trustworthy mechanism Individuals face some inconveniences in the state of nature.Hence,to ward those inconveniences they enter into contract.

        When Individual enter into contract,they do not surrender all their rights to the state.In fact the state came to existence to preserve the rights enjoyed by men in the state of nature.State should enforce laws to preserve these rights and should not step into other affairs which are non political.Locke says the very existence of state depend upon its obligation towards the citizens,if it fails to do its duty it can be disposed by the citizen.

        • Sonia mehra

          Hy Leader,
          Beautiful answer, I will try to review with the best of my ability.

          1. As per me there is no Locke’s social contract theory. His political thoughts are mentioned in his “Two treaties of Government”, this was founded on social contract theory (correct me if i am wrong.)

          2. The centrality of the question is property and its preservation, which I believe you haven’t dwelt upon: It is man who possess rights in the state of nature. Man leaves this state of nature and enters into civil or political society for the preservation of his property. So this theory requires and supposes that man has property.
          So the end of government is preservation of property. The govt should make laws and set rules which act as guards, by limiting the power of every part and member of society.

          3. I couldn’t understand the last line of the statement, (to which in the state of nature there are many things waiting)- Plz explain this part of question.

          Feel free to contradict on my views, only then both of us could arrive at a consensus…

          • Sepoy No 1446

            Who gave social contract theory then?

            • Sonia mehra

              Rousseau came up with a work named “The Social Contract”.

              But social contract as a concept existed much prior to Rousseau or Locke.

              Is your optional political science?

              • Sepoy No 1446

                Pub AD

              • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                sorry to interfere guys….but i think Social Contract was given by Hobbes,Locke and Rousseau all three…..the difference is Hobbes’s laviathan is result of Social Contract ……Locke’s state which result because people in state of nature acquired property as their natural right and they needed to protect it—hence social contract….and Rousseau to hai hi…..

                • Sonia mehra

                  Thanks Anubhav
                  I will come back to you on this, after referring my notes. Thank you.

          • Leiter The Leader

            Thanks for the review…I covered overall but didn’t put emphasis on property…:)

        • Sonia mehra

          If you wish I may also tell Anubhav to review your answer. He is also a political science optional. There is no harm in having an extra opinion.

          Three of us could form a group to review answers.. (only if you wish..)

          • Leiter The Leader

            Sure…tell me also…

            That a good idea…so that we don’t feel isolated in preparing optional

    • Lubna Sehar

      Excellently addressed!!

  • Mohit Gupta

    Higher Education System in India is Anti-Dalit is a statement partially true. To the extent that Dalits still even in 2016 faced discrimination and the matter not looked into by the laws or authorities concerned.
    A population of 1.2 billion can not be expected to follow and respect our constitution in its true spirit. Thus, one gets discrimination based on caste,sex,colour, …etc some where sometimes in our lives.
    Therefore, its our law and order ( here concerned authorities’ responsibility to take the matter and solve it) that fails when every one is ensured equality long ago in the Constitution. As such “Higher Education System in India in its entirty is NOT anti Dalit”

  • Lubna Sehar

    Indian education system is never anti-Dalit. Its only caste prejudice and social exclusion practiced by some people is anti-dalit. It’s only mind set of some people which becomes anti-dalit. Such mind set of people becomes a cause to failure of efforts made to bring social equality and justice

  • naren

    If reservation is not given on caste based then no society can differentiate whose is dalit or general . Whole our politics is around dalit caste . I do not thinks much has done for it .Higher education provides better opportunities for dalit in private sector , but many choose government sector ,because they do not want to loose reservation benefits ,even after getting higher education . I think dalit should go to research and private sector to strength their stronghold in other sectors .

  • mohd osama

    With 15-16 percent reservation at higher educational level, the educational system is not anti dalit. The presence of dalits in the Universities are somewhat not in consonance with their share in population.
    So, the problem lies at primary level of schooling, where the reservations are upheld but other discriminations in rural areas take place.
    Their are disturbing reports which says that still dalit children sweeps the classrom. Other reports are there which validates that in school mess, plates are kept for dalit children separately.
    So, these discriminations make these dalit children vulnerable and effect their psyche. That’s why their presence in higher educational system is quite low. The administration also sometime takr them in low esteem inspite of legal protections.

  • pandeyji

    The irony is that all the provisions (especially reservations) that the higher education system implements in order to be non-discriminatory towards castes has consequences that might result into anti-Dalitism:
    — The reserved candidates tend to form their own groups. The general category students autonomously form an opinion that the former are someone different
    — Reservations although made for the upliftment of the disadvantaged, draw the ire of many general category candidates. Though they are against the system and not the reserved candidates, it is natural that they develop some prejudice against the beneficiaries
    Although I dont have other examples in my mind right now, I am sure they are there. I am simply baffled by how, the provisions made to reduce the existing social divide are simply enlarging the same.
    Ek toh media bhi chookti nahi incidents ko bada banane mein… I am sure aaj Hindu ka first page padhte hi hazaaron ne apne sar pakda hoga aur bola hoga “are kuch nahi kiya ja sakta”..pehle toh aison ki karwahi ki jayegi

    • Dilkhush

      i think the educated strata of the country could do a little bit… whatever it be.as on an individual level implemented.. there will be substantiate change later on… i have many times people ask… after telling name.. no no..!!! what is your full name… and later they do not talk if they are found from SC/ST…..

      literally, when i was travelling in train… one gentleman asked me after little bit chating.. what is your name.. i told only my first name… nahi.. what is your full name… as he would come to rescue me…..

      • pandeyji

        aise insan ko aap gentleman mat boliye Dilkhushji

        • Dilkhush

          i mean sometime people look like a well educated but what is the use of education if they do not go beyond these man made differences..

          • pandeyji

            maybe because mujhe education ne marks score karke auron se aage badhna sikhaaya hai
            I hardly remember reading about social issues (icse board)

      • CSE 15

        The educated strata can definitely do a lot better such as ‘not looking for caste based brides/grooms via matrimonial ad’
        Government may ban such ads in public interest.

  • Higher education system in India is not anti Dalit at many counts like: Provision of reservation, special fellowship for pursuing their research activities, financial supports by the government, less fees for pursing higher education e.g. admission fees, hostel fees etc. But these provisions are one side of the coin which reflects aspiration of egalitarian social system arranged in the constitution the other side is dark and highly acrimonious demoralizing identity of a Dalit in these institution.

    But it cannot be denied that still higher education system is administered, practiced and propagate with anti-dalit perspective highly in implicit approaches. Even entry to higher institutions on the basis of reservation is seen as a means of discrimination by their fellow learners and teachers. The voice of Dalit is being suppressed for two reasons- the first, the upper caste who dominate in the administration fears to loose own place at the hand of capable Dalit administrator and the second, the rising identity of Dalit student is taken as a sign to make their hegemony vulnerable.

    Because of constitutional provision we might not see the presence of anti-dalit monger as an explicit practitioner but it is true that there is collective resistance by upper strata in higher education to face storm anti-castist, agitating suppressed youth against holy system of caste and their expertise in education.

    Recently occurred two incidents- ban on Ambedkar Study circle in Madras and suicide of student enrolled in HCU at least hint that higher education still in the grip of anti-dalit faction not overtly but certainly covertly.

  • Charm

    No. It is not.
    In fact, the presence of reservations till date serves as a self explanatory step that implies that India is always in support of the socially disadvantaged groups.

  • Lubna Sehar

    Indian education system is never anti-Dalit. Its only caste prejudice and social exclusion practiced by some people is anti-dalit. It’s only mind set of some people which becomes anti-dalit. Such mind set of people becomes a cause to failure of efforts made in our constitution to bring social equality and justice. Unnecessary pride of some people in their so called upper caste makes them arrogant. And sometimes their arrogancy becomes a threat to the socially disadvantaged sections.

  • Deepak

    Enrollment to higher educational institution itself hanging in thread for our country due to the developing nature in that all depends on socio economical status of individual only.Even we dont know caste based statistcal fig of higher edu enrollment. Calling higher edu in india is anti dalit absolutly immature.

  • jolly_fish

    Education is considered as one of the factors for long term mobility however recent literature highlight that education in general and higher education is particular is further increase the divide between haves and haves not. Higher education has become luxury of few. The following myriad of problem highlights how higher education system in India worked against emancipation of dalits

    Reservation in higher education is too little and too late: ignores evils at lower level plagued by low enrollment, higher dropout.

    Increasing privatization with inflated fees

    Loan is not easy to avail due to lack of assets

    Urban location bias: even if fees are low, expensive city life

    Linguistic barrier:

    Hardly any thought has been given to the support structures that need to be built inside educational institutions

    Digital divide has limited opportunities provided by MOOCS

    policy makers ignore the plight of dalit girl facing patriarchal mindset, early marriage etc

    Cynicism as degree and diploma don’t ensure viable employment opportunities

  • Tanu Singhal

    The varna system, gave the country, a hirerachy of castes in a society.
    Actually that system defined the castes, as per the work done by them, but as we developed as a society, we started labeling it by birth, making the work an ancestral business.
    This is the point where the vreal issue of caste discrimination started, and got embedded in the Indian culture.
    With adoption of constitution, we tried to move on, in 1950, we abolished untouchability, by adding its removal and punishment against in the law of land.
    With civil rights act, 1955 , SC/ST Attrocities ( prevention) act, 1989,
    We tried to cut the roots of this social evil.
    Somewhere it got successful, as now it became a social norm to not to discriminate.

    But as we go deep into the social scenarios, there are still some unaware, insensitive elements which even after being educated enough continue to sham the image of India and its tolerant structure.
    IDSN -international dalit solidarity network, released a statement that even today , high level of discriminations against DALITS still continues.
    The recent case of suicide by a university student, presents a similar picture. Undoubtedly the political will of the country is most disastrous today, it is leading to social regression.

    >The highlighted QUOTA regime, its revision time and again highlights nothing but an irrational mindset, as to how till today we wish to label even the young blood.
    >The lack of employment opportunities and special reservations provided are the basic reasons, causing hatred amongst the youth

    Instead of going back with more n more quota, we need economical and educational upliftment, the discrimination at the school level, at the very primary stage has to be got rid of, only then it will not be able to expand its roots till the shoots of the social structure.

    Upliftment with proper education at lower level, economical measures to redefine the classes that too just to make resoucres reach them shall be adopted.
    Demographic dividends will come from every young student, it will not discriminate, it will not let capabilities don’t reach to any dakit, infact cumulative capabilities of every youth will bring huge dividend to Indian corporation .

    • Tanu,
      U said other than quota– suggest one measure of educational reform in favour of dalits????

      • Tanu Singhal

        1. Stop the labeling. Even if it takes the law to enforce such regime. I mean we did that by sc st atrocities act.
        2. Recently we saw a news how in a southern state whne a dalit cook was appointed for mid day meal,people withdrew their kids from school, I say take actions against such school authorities.
        Obviously we can’t just take away freedom of choice of parents, but the school authorities shall not let such information get highlighted. ( again a great stigma is there I know that is impossible to hide )
        3.at primary school levels the teachers must be made sensitive enough to not let the discrimination get into the young brains. We all know the reality this discrimination always stts from upsuch levels
        The mind set of whole generation has to be changed.

        Economical help.
        Special schemes.
        Special scholarships
        Separate exam for competition among those students so as to get the quality and competition re energised.
        Promotions based on talent noit on quota ( hatred from the hearts of other classes has to be checked upon )

        Else, if unhave anymore points kindly suggest.

        • Kitna padti ho Tanu tum…good???

          • Tanu Singhal

            Puch rhe ho bta rhe ho ??? ?

            • soch raha hu — see my pic

        • Cases of injustices —cause deep harm and warrant retribution—raparation should be there
          incentivise love marriages particularly intercastes–long term solution

          • Tanu Singhal

            How can you incentivise love marriage ??

            By free honeymoon package !???

            • hahaaaa ,, haryana government offering 50000 to couple which have female spouse from lower caste

              • Tanu Singhal

                Fake marriages sacme on the way !!!

              • Tanu Singhal

                25 tere 25 mere !

            • Sepoy No 1446

              state sponsored love affair..lol..

              life couldn’t be better than this..hahaha 🙂

              • Tanu Singhal

                PM pyar jagao dalit bachao yojana.

                Sabka sath sabka Vikas !

                Ting ting t-ding…?

                • Sepoy No 1446

                  haha..too good..ideal state. 🙂

                  • Tanu Singhal

                    Haan

                    Utilitarianism ki nai paribhasha !?

                    • Sepoy No 1446

                      Egjactly 🙂

                • Abhishek Mishra

                  one more thing i want to add..govt made a act in which evry non dalit hve a power or say its mandat,they go to dalits home for making love because dalits always suggest the idea of inter caste marriages with upper castes..so lets iniate by himself 😛

                  • Tanu Singhal

                    This upper caste lower caste phenomenon, is what m taking about!
                    This very idea needs to exit from society.

                    Capabilities shall define human beings n nothing else, no caste, no sex no colour no nationality.
                    We all are becoming a global citizen today.
                    We need to rise up above these phenomenas…

                    Surely it will hell lot of time n effort.

            • CSE 15

              By banning caste based matrimonial ads in newspaper…

              • Tanu Singhal

                Nm sorry to say but, in that case we would have to hide SURNAMES as well.

          • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

            ye sabse kamal ka solution hai…..but impractical…

            • some problems and hurdles lies in our attitude — existence in Social and individual psyche like caste— and sometimes impracticality -what u say

              • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                hmmm…….i have even bigger question…if everyone knows this is the problem and everyone knows the solution,then why things are not changing??????

                • things are changing if we want to see — he, you and me all are doing efforts — system take time to change and pose a resistance –we have to strike on that from all directions!!!

                  • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                    ha jarur hua hai…magar scale kya hai????can u go to ur family n say i will marry a tribal or dalit or backward girl???if u say how will they respond???if they agree how will ur extended family or relatives respond????if they agree how will ur nearby neighbors respond???how will ur MOHALLA respond????
                    u may get bycotted…..not by a farman but by the continuous teasing that ur family will get…
                    so sir castism is inherent …aur wo tab badlega jab hum apne gharo me baith kr baat krte hue bhi unhe apno me samil samjhege…..

                    • CSE 15

                      The more important question would be “will we accept such proposal of our children?”
                      That is change!

                    • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                      yes i agre…..but let me put it in a better way….would we be allowed to accept such proposals of our children???

                    • CSE 15

                      I could not get you.
                      Who is there to restrict you as a parent?
                      If it is society, then it is about standing against their norms, back your children, that’s all!
                      If it is about your family member, you would be grown enough to make decisions.

                    • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                      It’s the society ,the elders,friends everyone around or atleast 90%of them…..chalo agar i agreed how much would be the trauma of bycott faced by my childs or grandchilds?????
                      pta hai jo krna chahta hai wo nahi kr skta hai kyunki in the end it comes to KHANDAN KI IJJAT by our elders……

                    • freesage

                      Why have you attached honor to marriage !!!

                      that’s another debate.

                      We as educated lot must understand that there is no honor or dishonor in free will marriage of a man and woman. We have superficially attached so much meaning to marriage; its nothing but a way of finding an equal or better partner to live life with.

                      bhaad me jaaye izzat; someone has to break the chain and you do not have any control over it. If you don’t then your son will or you grand son definitely will. So stand for what is right.

                      people livein without the knowledge of parents ; do stuff not called for by parents. Marriage is a social function of “dikhawa” hence so much dignity and honor attached to it else its just a function.

                      Say people marry according to parents choice and keep on having illicit affaris?
                      is that not against honor if caught; mind you dear attraction and love does not have an algorithm.

                    • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                      i have not attached …it is sumthing which has become inherent…….i agree with all ur points…but bro this is my concern….despite knowing what is wrong its tough to eradicate it…..sayad koi mass movement chahiye hoga…mass bycott of these traditions by upper caste youths and for a sustained time…

                    • freesage

                      yeah bro….
                      even i wish these things wane away as soon as possible, better for us, better for the society,

                    • CSE 15

                      Yaar kab bade hoongein hum!
                      Kaahe dar rahee hoo, hum hain naaa!
                      Ek duniya ne saath chhoda, dusre ne apna liya!
                      Masla yeah hai ki ” hum kya soochta hain”
                      People don’t like you, may be they are not right for you, they do not deserve you.
                      Apni duniya banayeinge aapne principles ke saath jisme saare insaan samaan honge, unko aur unke mehnat ki ijaat hogi, hamare baache khush raheinge……..

                    • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                      easy said than done……lets hope for the best……

                    • Tanu Singhal

                      Exactly!!

                      As they say, charity begins from home so does ANY CHANGES.

                    • Sonia mehra

                      Well done partner.. Aj toh sabki chutti krdi debate me..

                    • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

                      are shukriya….its just that m learning from u and my confidence is increasing….
                      waise ur knowledge and way or writing ,sentence framing sab is awesome…

        • Kamakshi Srivastava

          If we will go for separate examination then again it goes 4 discrimination and they will become vulnerable from others society..as per our constitution our country is a secular country …

          • Tanu Singhal

            No m not saying separate from general category, but within them, just as a scholarship test is…

            This will eventually increase competition.
            In Rajasthan PCS, OBS cut off was more than general cut off,
            See difference is being made…

        • Faqih

          I totally support your point of economic help. That’s the crux of the problem. I personally don’t think there’s a need to give marks relaxation because all students should be judged on common parameter. Rather students have different IQ’s irrespective of their castes. So there is no need to provide such differentiation on caste basis. There are students from every caste,creed or religion who contribute to the intelligentsia. Metaphorically speaking The government should provide ingredients for recipe rather than making the recipe.

          • Tanu Singhal

            Metaphor, very well stated.
            ?

    • Rahul

      Good write up, however it seems that you have written on ‘caste system and its impact on education’.

      • Tanu Singhal

        Is that so !!?
        ,
        Will definitely work on it then
        Thanks for pointing out.
        🙂

    • Kamakshi Srivastava

      Well said…really its the basic duty of not only government but also our society to uplift their view towards dalits..today we are saying that our country is going towards westernisation but still we are lacking rationality.. Until unless we don’t change our mindset we can’t make our society modern…because we don’t run our country on social dictat but on constitutional dictat…

      • Tanu Singhal

        Indeed…
        Thanks God
        My point of view reached the right away.

    • Vinod

      It’s very good that you covered everything aspect since Ancient to Modern world.
      But one more thing I want to add that quota is good to uplift them and save them from social as well as economical exclusion since Ancient time.Because even their current situation is very depressed.
      We can also assume it as the compensation they are getting from exploited by hierarchy caste system specially upper.
      And can also assume it as their right they are getting very delay from which they are oppressed & deprived since Long time.

  • vinay sharma

    indian higher education system is not anti dalit. its our society who is discriminating. I think the word DALIT should not be used,

  • Cybertron Ninja

    The statement Higher education system in India is Anti- Dalit is false. Indian education system provides and encourages students from lower castes and classes to join and avail education through reservation, fee concessions and scholarship programs. India Constitutions lays down specific provisions in the form of Rights (Equality before law, Non-Discrimination based on caste).

    What is Anti-Dalit is people’s narrow mindedness, society’s inability to let wrong happen. The people from low caste who are well off now, also take advantage of the particular tag and form pressure and political groups demanding more than needed. One wrong act and the whole community, system is put to blame and the ones who do the right things also suffer under such circumstances.

    The political propaganda combined with media agenda works against the benefit of larger society and in favor of particular parties and news channels. The news of dalits beaten threatened is shown dramatically and the news of them progressing by supportive system is hardly shown. Only news available is of Vandana a student of lower caste tops KGMU.

    The Higher education system is not anti-dalit but has other issues
    Low enrollment ratio
    Mushrooming of low quality, money making institutes
    Lack of relevant opportunities and project based learning
    Lack of Research and development infrastructure
    Low teacher/pupil ratio

  • Lubna Sehar

    Indian education system is never anti-Dalit. Its only caste prejudice and social exclusion practiced by some people is anti-dalit. It’s only mind set of some people which becomes anti-dalit. Such mind set of people becomes a cause to failure of efforts made in our constitution to bring social equality and justice. Unnecessary pride of some people in their so called upper caste makes them arrogant. And sometimes their arrogancy becomes a threat to the socially disadvantaged sections.Even criminalising the practice of untouchability has not stopped the oppression of SC/STs. Domination of some right-wing sanghs has also encouraged the threatening behavior towards dalits

  • Rahul

    Any institution is more or less replica of society itself. Thus a section of people may be considered as anti-Dalit, but as an institution to my mind Higher Education System does not seems to be anti-Dalit.

    There are number of provisions that safeguard the interest of Dalits, reservation in higher education, scholarship etc. However they seem to be only political and economic in nature, the social equality still seems to be a distant goal. I think society as a whole is responsible for that and there is a need of social transformation.

    In place of finding just solution to this social evil, doing politics over the death of a student shows further degradation of political leadership. I think there must be a thorough investigation of the incident and the culprit shall be punished irrespective of his/her position. State has to take moral responsibility and set a precedent before society.

  • Krishna

    i would like to note a point on higher education is not anti dalit, but driven by policy paralysis from earlier policymakers. There was no integration of education and market scenario leading to increase in unemployment.

    Why should students divide on basis of caste from securing admission in colleges. It is starting phase of discrimination from others.

    when all children in securing good marks with equality , prefernce of lower marks means they have less worked hard and secured seat, where others go for one long term in securing seat in IIT/MBBS. So naturally they will generate hatred towards other students.

    Even due to atmospheric right from childhood , concepts were easily understood by students who have good IQ,naturally lack behind in race of lectures and eyes of professors. They awarded as low performence ppl, sometimes leads to discontinutin of studies or harming themselves. A sturctural reforms is needed. And seperating caste based education should be removed completely

  • Saint Shambhujs

    Had the system per Se been anti -Dalit, the equal treatment of a Dalit would be a news stuff not the rare events like this.

  • DaV!ncI aka draco

    Give us poison or long ropes to hang ourselves that are the words in the letter of Rohith Vemula’s vice-chancellor of the university
    before his suicide.In his suicide note he was as gracious as Jesus was to his murders to blame none but himself to have been born in this kind of society.

    The incident once again remind us that The higher educational institutions in India do not allow the Dalits–the historical untouchables to study and live with dignity.It brings to the fore important questions regarding caste-based violence in institutions of higher education in India. It wasn’t an isolated instance nine students already have taken their lives in the last seven years in the University of Hyderabad alone. All of them were from Dalit or backward castes. In all the cases, it is the inability of institutions to accommodate socially marginalised groups was the prime motivating factor.

    Time and again it has been pointed out that educational spaces in India are conceived by design as exclusively upper-caste spaces characterised by an underlining hostility for the official reservation policy spilling over as outright disgust and hatred for students from marginalised backgrounds, irrespective of their academic achievements or merit.

    In any democratic society, social cleavages created by accidental identities like religion, caste and gender are meant to be dealt with in a responsible way. When a society constantly fails to address inequality and discrimination, in the longer run, it will shake the real
    foundations of democracy and the social contract which forms the basis of it. The fact is, in spite of constitutional safeguards and positive discrimination (reservation) by the government and its agencies, we are still nowhere near achieving equality in India.

    An all-India survey casts the spotlight on a higher education system that uses the ‘graded inequality’ that Ambedkar warned about to keep out marginalised groups – OBCs, Dalits, Muslims and women.The AISHE survey, conducted online by the Department of Higher Education, MHRD finding
    show that the representation of Muslims, Scheduled Castes, Scheduled
    Tribe and Other Backward Classes in higher education teaching jobs is
    way below the proportion of their population even after 68 years of
    independence.

    This reminds one of Dr. B R Ambedkar’s words that graded inequality prevents the rise of general discontent against inequity and will never lead to revolution for social justice.

  • Shan

    I don’t think in India the higher education system is anti-dalit. There are certain provisions like reservation exist for the betterment of backward castes and they also get benefitted through those provisions. But they are not utilized or implemented efficiently which perceived to be anti-dalit.

  • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

    Though,various kind of welfare schemes and reservation is there for dalits in higher education but it has just been able to give them admission…..the dalits do not get that position of equality which they should in many colleges and institutions……It has been prevalent in the society for years and the situation has changed only for 5%or so and most of the dalits are still discriminated against …..

    • Student association and youth mobilization against such instances can be a solution

      • Anubhav Pandey Kautilya

        exactly…..formal as well as informal interaction between students is only solution…kyunki on a bigger scale its about how we think in our home…hum ghar pe castism ko kaise dekhte hain….agar hum yaha badi badi baatein krte hain but in home in our personal life we hesitate in connecting with all the classes then problem would suatain……

  • Dilkhush

    Actually the system is not completely opposite to low cast students, but what i have observed is that .. even students among themselves discriminate… even sometimes the general category students do not talk to these other students.. they create groups and… and even some people in system who are influenced by conservatives also do the same.. .

    the effect of government can be seen explicitly…even the dean or administration is threatened.. and the final punitive have to bear to these students……

    even people asks.. generally what i have seen.. when somebody asks name.. the first name is not enough..they want to know full name.. and later the existing prejudices predominant in the mind..

  • Mayuresh Pawar

    I thinks Higher Education is not Anti-Dalit, GOI has really taken some good steps to bring the students from SC/ST Communities on par with Mainstream society, however through the reforms government could not change the mentality of so called upper class people.

    • What kind of reform—plz suggest one !

      • Mayuresh Pawar

        Just for example….1)UGC has earmarked 15 per cent and 7.50 per cent reservation for SCs and STs respectively in appointments, both in teaching and non-teaching posts, admissions hostel accommodation, etc., in universities/colleges, professional and technical educational institutions administered by the Central Government (This Includes IITs, IIMs, NITs,). 2) Apart fromreservation, there is also relaxation in the minimum qualifying marks for admission for SC/ST students in IITs, IIMs, NITs. Seats are also reserved in hostels. UGC also provides financial assistance to universities for the establishment of SC/ST cells in Universities to ensure effective implementation of reservation policy for SCs and STs……the point is we are at such juncture that no more reforms in regards to reservations would work for uplifting them, only thing require is that the society should stop viewing them through prism of caste….

  • Radhika

    Hi Can someone please guide me-how should I start? I have ideas but find it difficult to put it together.

    • Amit

      Just start…….

  • NBD

    No education sysytem is casteist in Nature. However stating indian higher education system is anti dalit might fit into perception based understanding of it.
    Stirr in the higher education institute’s in india due to sad demise of a student in renowned university give ample arena to discuss on anti- dalit activities. A student studying phd or doing research might fall prey to the casteist system, due to professor specific studying methodologies.
    To change the perception of anti dalit ,remedial measures can be taken.
    When a developing country needs its youth the most to become a super power in terms of education, human capital,economic and in other sectors country needs a special and strict attention towards education institute.
    Some strict decisions which may be helpful are following.
    1. Psychometric test for all teachers on annual basis to screen biasness towards castism.
    2. Banning political affiliation of university level parties with any mainstream political activity.
    3. Direct intervention of government officials not below the rank of DM. In subject institute for any matter reported in oral or written. Strict action towards professors like debarring them from teaching or publishing paper for 2 years.
    4.open discussion in presence of respected faculty towards awareness will be most helpfull.

    In conclusion remarks my personal emphasis on anti dalit higher ducation system sticks to same its the perception i.e anti dalit not higher education. & we must put teachers in the most valuable asset of our country and strive towards make them feel that along with accountability.

    • freesage

      especially like the second point. Its the root cause; even IIT Madras said that students come here to study and not to join politics.

      Institutes shall not be grooming space for politicians.

      • NBD

        Thank you freesage for commenting

  • Kunal verma

    Higher education system in India seems to me like a caste system done based on no. of seats in an institute. All the the govt. inst. are having seats reserved for various categories. Calling it Anti dalit is being actually contrary to what I feel.
    With no. of seats reserved on caste basis has mainly added to concept of casteism in India. The admission procedure consist of so many loopholes that meritorious candidates have to surrender their seats for some undeserving one who are much behind them. This has been the biggest lacunae of the education system in India producing leaders which do not deserve that spot and deserving candidates just have all their hard work going in vain and trying blaming the govt. for all the miseries they are suffering from. This gives rise to a insecurity which a person might feel when some less able candidate takes his spot. This can give rise to unfair methods practised by candidate which leads to a black blot for the country.
    I would like to suggest some reforms which might ameliorate the situation
    1. Reservations were meant to uplift the socially, financially, economically backward sections of the society. But as most of these are now uplifted, they should be extracted out of this privilige and should be made to face the real challenge.
    2. To put any community under reserved status, it should undergo full screening by concerned authorities through a well orchestrated process to define validity of the claim of that community.
    3. The families which come under reserved category and are financially stable are to be exempted from this list.
    4. The economically weaker section may be provided relief in admissions ,study materials etc. to give equal opportunity to every individual of the nation.
    5.Final decision for admissions are to be carried on basis of merit and not the caste.
    These measures though, are very difficult to implement but will act as a concrete solution for this problem. Also , support of the crowd is also necessary for these measures to be carried forward. any type of Divide based on caste should be abolished such that India abrogates discrimination on the basis of caste system completely from the country.

  • akshay

    well done insightsonindia you are big brother of leftist newspaper “the hindu” in matters of reporting news bites with a tinge of casteism and communalism..keep it up ..he was not dalit but a converted christian obc who was brainwashed with communism..if any general category or obc student had died would have have taken this debate..higher education is anti obc or general category..did he died because of harassment of being dalit or anyone insulted him of being dalit..what logic of having this debate…good going communist jnu style reporting

  • Rahul

    India is struggling to get higher no. of enrollments in Higher education but recent incident of suicide by a PhD student raises lot of questions. One thing important here is that education system that we have has lot of flaws. It does not promote creativity, It emphasizes on the degree etc. but calling it anti-dalit will be too an early and non analysed statement. Enrollment of students is open for all irrespective of religion and cast. It is true that there have been incidents of discrimination and it has cost a lot to the nation in terms of intellect and harmony but these incidents have been motivated by personal beliefs. In higher education and research courses, this can be problem as professors from higher casts can discriminate against lower cast and same can be true in case of opposite.
    The need of the time is to put a check on such activities. If we want a non discriminatory higher education, we need to create a system which puts checks on such activities.

  • Sandeep Kumar

    Either it is primary ,secondary or higher education system, Govt has put all his effort to attract dalits towards education system.

    -It has encouraged dalits,particularly in higher education, by offering various reservations and concession in semester fees.

    -Various other encouragements in form of lower cut-off marks and special pre-training offerings for dalits, and other marginalised section of society also shows a special corner for their overall growth.

    -Though, some social discrination and exclusion demotivated them but government is trying their best to put all their effort to eradicate such type of practices through various rules and regulations.

    So, It is totally satisfactory that in higher educational system dalits has been provided with all possible privileges and hence it is very safe corner for them where they can flourish at maximum level.

  • Suresh Naidu

    According to Marxist theorist, all the sub structures like Art, religion, Education, Government will resemble the fundamental structure of material inequality i.e, haves and have-nots.
    And Indian Society being categorised on basis of caste, religion, class, creed basis, the same is reciprocated even in education like and also access to the resources. Hence being belived in concept of equality of all men n their access to all type of resources, by rule we are aganist discrimination of any sort but in spirit all type of prejudicies and divisions that prevail in the society are knowing and unknowingly practised by us, Hence the same is mirrored in our educational system

  • akshi88

    Even after 69 years of independence we continue to a slave of centuries old caste system. Passage of civil rights act 1955 , SC/ST (prevention of atrocities ) Act and subsequent amendments have been empowering from legal point of view . Though there are provisions which have given chances in higher education, government jobs and promotion dalit community continues to face social discrimination in almost all spheres of life. The difference between past and now is only in degree and frequency of such acts , now its more or less veiled discrimination . In fact as dalit community gets chances of progress by virtue of reservations the so called upper classes face a kind of discontent and often calls for removing reservations. This results in baised attitude at education institutions, work place and society at large. A good solution would be to give more teeth to the SC/ST Act . A comprehensive law following the line of The Equality Act 2010 of U K
    You’re protected from discrimination in these situations:

    at work
    in education
    as a consumer
    when using public services
    when buying or renting property
    as a member or guest of a private club or association.
    Such an act should have adequate force to implement these in letter and in spirit.

  • Deepak Rannot

    In the times of Knowledge economy, the focus must be above the anti-dalit and anti-minority in the higher education context. The GER in higher education is itself alarming (around 12 %) , higher educational institutes must appreciate the students on their merit rather than through the regional, cultural and creed prism. The role of autonomy in the management of higher educational institutes requires prominence in this regard. The reservation with regard to dalits (OBCs), minorities, SC/STs and females scholars at entrance level is way of social justice, which promotes their participation in higher learning centres.
    The scholarships designed for dalits and reservations for them is to be seen as encouragement to the Socially and economically backward groups.
    The Higher education system must strive for the meritocracy. It is ironical that seats of higher learning whose job is to develop empowered and knowledgeable citizenry are being pushed into mean debates. Certainly, the political institutions are responsible for the predicament.

  • happy soul

    higher education system is not anti dalit
    infact education is the only field where caste bias have not been so stark
    students from different caste,region,religion mix with each other and compete with each other only to excel in education,sports etc
    If the politics whichisplayed at higher education level is curbed then any bias left could be removed.This in turn would have positive bearing on the caste bias present in the society in general.

  • neha

    It would not be right to say that higher education system in
    india is anti dalit. Constitution has provided sufficient provisions to raise
    the status of the SC/STs and OBCs. However it is also true that the same is
    being exploited by the socially uplifted in the so called socially backward
    groups itself. By wrongly portraying themselves as still backward to reap the
    benefits of the provisions provided by the govt.for generations, they stop the benefits from reaching
    the needy and the actual rightful people. The education system in India is very
    much biased towards the Dalit people whether it’s the higher or the lower one.
    The things to change is the MINDSETof people which is anti dalit. We need to first
    change our mindset and then only will we be able to truly understand the
    problems they are facing and support them in a righteous way.

  • dheeraj gupta

    Based on few elements doing discrimination against discrimination based on caste in Higher education. We cannot assert that our education system is anti caste. But the question is How we are going to tackle this menace. In my opinion we should take similar type of measures that we have taken to curb ragging, Committee should also be set up at institute level, where they could register their grievance,

  • sam

    Saying higher education in India today is anti Dalit, a statement which other minorities may sympathies to but if its a stand alone statement then its not true and its wrong to say as India has followed the secular education system.
    Our views should not be clouded with recent incidents and make a bias statement to the forward steps we have taken till date from the past experiences.
    We are a young nation which is still in the process of fully integrating the human and cultural diversities. Our society is also transforming very fast with more and more people seeking job ,employment ,housing , and satisfaction of other socio-economic needs. With high aspiration and expectation grew the pressure on the limited infrastructures and resources and inability to accommodate their aspiration, the cost is very high. The matter took political and other communal color as we failed to increase our infrastructure and employment opportunities as a whole, so the fight for limited resources is fierce and always bloody. And slowly but constantly took the cast consciousness to a higher ground which is unhealthy for a democratic country like ours.
    Generally , problem with Indian higher education system is that , its out of reach for the lower strata of the society i.e. economically weaker section of the society regardless of caste or religious consideration.
    Time has come that we broke the caste barriers and caste dominated debate on higher education and move towards economic based approach so we can address the wrongs of the past with present solution to which we have a control by creating more infrastructures and providing more resources to our education sector through reforms and new initiatives for creating more employment opportunities.

  • Rekha

    One cannot completely say that higher education is anti-dalit,its costlier which is discouraging the other community aswell..
    But certain measures like bank loans,reservations etc are though available not effective in its aim of promoting higher education..
    So govt should comeup with low interest rates,scholarships etc theirby making it reachable to everyone irrespective of their community and social status..

  • Ajay Soni

    It is widely debated that the
    higher education system in India is highly elite-based. Despite 49.5%
    constitutional reservation in favour of SC’s, ST’s and OBC’s combined in public
    sector employment and educational institutions, the higher education in India
    continues to favour “General “class of the society divided on the basis of
    caste and sub caste. The caste based discrimination against the students of the
    lower communities especially dalits ranges from class room discrimination to mess
    /food based biasness. The comments about their social class and status by the
    students of the higher community are usually disturbing and promote violence as
    well as psychiatrics trauma among students of the lower community. The recent examples
    are the suicide by the Dalit students in the University of Hyderabad. It is
    also seen that the way this issue is handed and administered by the college
    elite management is very unprofessional and against basic ethics of law. There
    are various factors which promotes such violence and discrimination such as
    follows.

    Ruling
    party propaganda

    Inadequate
    measures to c heck such ongoing discrimination.

    Ideological
    constraints in the society.

    Biased
    higher management of the institutions.

    Brahamanical
    structure of the society

    Rich
    class and higher bourgeoisie domination in the “vested interest group”
    I.e. college admission and the management of the college Despite reservation system in
    place in India higher education continues to be biased discriminatory and
    favours “elites” of the society. This particular issue needs to be widely
    debated and talent and skill based admission must be promoted. Also the main
    constraints that are to change ideological mind set towards dalits mist be
    initiated and promoted. By ruling class so that such instances be curbed.

  • Gauravdeepsingh1313

    Higher education is for dalit non uniform throughout some area’s-
    First face-
    Govt give reservation to dalits in every public sector.also govt give fee consecion to dalits. scholorship also given to them. but privelege of reservation not uniform throughout the country.lower section(poor section) remains poor because they do not take profit of reservation. they are only satisfied with concesion in electricity bills,free ration etc. these type of basic privelege make them dull, lazy who do not go for hard work, due to their satisfication Higher education is beyond their limits. in fact in coming 20-30 years these figures remain same only the genration will change. example-Bihar,Odisha etc. in that areas lower section people are in majority
    Second face-
    now beside basic privelege higher sections of dalit family takes full flege profit of their catagory in Compitition exams, Higher education, any other public sector.example-puinjab,delhi etc. so it is difficult to say that higher education is anti dalit. now there are 50% seats are reseved for them. so on what basis we say that higher education is anti dalit.
    higher section become highest and lower section remain at the same place.

  • Manazir Ahsan

    It is important to look at the reason why they are discriminated because of reservation. The general category students there fore take it as an undue advantage to pass barbs even though the sufferer may have been admitted on merit. a large no of people in higher education system stifle them due to their being dalit by if not discrediting then at least not recognizing their good work, not even their protest against this continual injustice in perpetuity. what they shouldo even think is to be in accordance with the views of the oppressor. rohit vemula suicide in hyderabad university is one of few reported case which courted media attention . to correct it reservation should be discontinuedone in educational institutes so that they can shun their caste tags forced upon them by peers live a life of dignity and learn in these institutions on equal terms. This can also pacify the general category students that their seats if given to dalits is due to their merit and nothing else. This would in long term help in eliminating institutional bias.

  • thevagabond85

    new topic suggestion : “Is gambling bad for society and should it be made unlawful?” wrt Lodha Committee recommendation

  • Amit Kumar Pal

    Higher Education System in India is dalit pro.

  • Ashish Sharma

    If higher education In India was anti dalit then enrollement of more then 50 % students from sc obc category and women would have not been there in some good university likes Jnu, Du.

    INfact more emphasis has been given By government in order to increse partcipation n enrollement of these students in colleges like IIT , IIM, law schools,Medical colleges.

    Now student from these categories are more empower ..more aware about their education hence overall awarness has been increased in last few Decades.

    It Is such colleges n Unviersities only ,which not only provinding them highr education but also working as a plateform to raise their voices strong against any discrimination which they use to faces in their social life.

    because of these instition of higher education only they are improving and aware more then before about their rights and awareing others as well.

    Yes.they are facing some challenges as well.such as droup out their studies in between.Not able to pay their basics fees even.Social n econmic discrimination against the. still prevails in these institution .

    however Its improved overall n They are becoming more empower and more strong .and places of higher education playing an important role here.its working as a catalyst .

    please ignour spelling n grammar mistakes.I am working to improve it.